By Paul Acquaro
Earlier this Spring, a post on Facebook announced the end of physical media for the venerable NotTwo label, then based on Warsaw, Poland. It came as a bit of shock and the comments that followed showed just how important the label was to many listeners. The message was also a bit cryptic, it was unclear if the label itself was shutting down entirely. This summer, we learned, happily, that there while there was indeed big change at label, as it now finds itself on the West Coast of the United States in the care of long-time label assistant Cezary Lerski, it is still very much alive. Please see the interview below to learn more about the transition.
One Voice and Two Truths
To kick off the re-launch of the label in its new digital-only guise, Lerski has released two excellent compilation albums curated from the label's deep back-catalog, One Voice focuses on solo performances and Two Truths on duos. Scan the names on the track listings and one is struck by the prominence of the artists, for example Simon Rose, Ken Vandermark, Barry Guy, Peter Brötzmann, Joëlle Léandre, Anthony Braxton ... and that's just a random pick.
One Voice starts off with the intense blast of baritone saxophone from Simon Rose on the track 'Boxhanger'. It begins with such intensity that one wonders how it could develop further, yet it does with speed and precision. The track 'Dekooning' from saxophonist Ken Vandermark stands in contrast to the opener: restrained and melodic, its intensity is more conventionally jazz focused. For something completely different, bassist Marcin Oles' version of Ornette Coleman's 'Una Muy Bonita' presents at once an entirely recognizable tune that on one instrument captures the rhythm, melody and spirit of the tune.
Two Truths is also a rich collection of duo performances that one may never have gotten to - after all, while having everything online and available all at once makes it possible to access, actually accessing it becomes a whole other problem. Starting with 'Productive Cough' from saxophonist Peter Broetzmann and percussion Joerg Fischer, there are obviously treasures within just waiting to be (re)discovered. This one begins with a no-holds-barred intro from the uncompromising saxophonist before Fischer comes crashing in. Eight minutes of heart-pumping free improvisation follows. On 'Conversation 1' from bassist Joelle Leandre and vocalist Lauren Netwon, the duo crisscrosses each others sonic paths, wrapping around each other until the distinction of bass and voice is futile. In another unconventional blending, woodwindist Anthony Braxton and bassist Chris Dahlgren offer 'Penumbra for woodwind(s) & bass(es) 1+1'. It is a low-register pummeling that uses electronics to grind the two instruments together.
These two hand-curated compilations show some of the true bounty from NotTwo's back
catalog. Each recording comes with detailed liner notes
and links back to the source recordings, making entering this rabbit hole
ever more enticing.
An Interview with Cezary Lerski:
Paul Acquaro: NotTwo has been around for more than 30 years, founded by Marek Winiarski. You spent many years working there — what first drew you to the organization?
Cezary Lerski: It goes back to the early 2000s, right around when iTunes first launched. I was producing a compilation showcasing the best of new Polish jazz at the start of the millennium, and I reached out to Marek by email to ask about featuring a track from his catalog. He said yes — Simple Acoustic Trio, who later became internationally known as the Marcin Wasilewski Trio through their run on ECM, got a spot on that 2-CD compilation.
That first contact grew into something more personal. At the time, the whole model of music distribution was shifting online, and Marek — despite never really warming to the Internet himself, he genuinely avoided it, social media included — recognized that the label needed to embrace that shift if it wanted to reach beyond Poland. I think I was simply the right guy in the right place at the right time. I became, informally, "the Internet guy," and before long I was running all of Not Two's online sales, handling customers, distributors, and the whole digital side. I think it was a real relief for Marek — it let him step back from that and focus on what he cared about most, the editorial and artistic direction of the label.
PA: As I understand it, you had an important operational role in the label, were you involved with the musical direction and release choices too?
CL: Honestly, that's always been Marek's domain. The musical direction, the release choices — that's him.
Where I did have a real role was as a kind of gatekeeper. As "the Internet guy," I was the first line for the enormous volume of submissions the label got from artists wanting to release on Not Two. So I was the one who had to tell a lot of well-meaning dentists that no, we weren't going to put out their girlfriend's reissue of the Ella Fitzgerald songbook (ha, ha). But when something genuinely caught my ear, I'd push it forward and send it to Marek with my recommendation. That's actually how I recall Szilárd Mezei first came to Marek's attention — and today we have ten of his albums in the catalog.
PA: Did you ever think that you would be in charge of the label?CL: No. Honestly, that thought never crossed my mind. I saw my role only as handling the online side, sales, distribution — while Marek was always the label. His ear, his taste, his editorial vision built Not Two, you can't just inherit that by osmosis. Taking over wasn't a plan; it was more like being handed the keys to a car you'd only ever been the passenger in.
PA: Moving to California is a major change for both yourself and the label, how did this come about?CL: That's actually always been a bit of a misconception — I didn't move to California for the label, I've lived here since the 1994 Northridge earthquake, with a few years back in New York City in between. California's been home for a long time; if anything, the label followed me, not the other way around.
For Not Two, though, it really was a seismic shift — pun very much intended. We cut the ties to a lot of what had supported the label in Europe: the local fan base that had grown up around Marek and the label over decades, the brick-and-mortar distribution network, the festival circuit connections. All of that infrastructure that took almost thirty years to build in Poland and across Europe — we're now starting, from scratch, to build something equivalent here. It's early days. That's part of why the online side has become so critical; without that European backbone, digital distribution isn't just an add-on anymore, it's the lifeline while we figure out what comes next.
PA: Do you think it will have an impact on the label? If so, in what way?CL: I think it already has, and I think it will keep having one. The most obvious shift is that we're now positioned to build a real foothold in the US — a market Not Two never had strong roots in before, despite the catalog being world-class. Free jazz and avant-garde have a dedicated, if scattered, audience here, and being physically present, able to go to shows, meet musicians, build relationships in person rather than only by email, changes the nature of those connections.
There's also the practical side — being US-based makes it easier to work with American artists, US distributors, and frankly, US customers who'd rather not deal with international shipping and customs. And going digital-first out of necessity has turned out to be an advantage too; the label isn't tied to a warehouse or a single postal system anymore.
PA: What is your vision for the NotTwo going forward?Concretely, that means a few things. Getting the digital side fully modern — proper distribution, a website and catalog system that does the music justice, so someone discovering the label today has as good an entry point as someone who walked into a record shop in Kraków twenty five years ago. On the physical side, I have to be honest — economics simply won't let us keep releasing everything on CD the way Marek did for all those years years. Digital will be the default going forward, with Bandcamp being our primary platform. But for special projects, the door is very much open — especially if we can move away from standard CD runs toward small-batch, on-demand, limited editions, whether that's CDs, vinyl, or even cassettes. It's a different model than the old one, but it lets us keep tangible formats alive for the releases that deserve them, without the economics sinking the label. It also means growing the US presence in a real way — not replacing the European roots, but adding to them, so the label has two homes instead of one. And it means keeping the catalog itself honest, so thirty years from now Not Two still means something specific when you see the name on a release.
PA: Can you give us a tease of any upcoming recordings?
CL: OK, I can tease a little. Fair warning though: this isn't necessarily going to be your grandmother's free jazz anymore. I'm getting a steady stream of submissions from artists working at the edges of avant-garde, pulling in influences from Krautrock, rave, psychedelia, trance — it's a strange and wonderful mix, and some of it is genuinely unlike anything currently in the catalog.
A few personal notes, since you asked: I've got a real thing for cello right now, and I think you'll hear that creeping into upcoming releases. And unlike Marek, I actually enjoy guitar too — so don't be surprised if it gets a bit more room on Not Two going forward.
What genuinely astonishes me is how many artists from all over the world are reaching out — practically every day — names most people, myself included, have never heard before. And the quality is often stunning. At the same time, I want to be clear: we're not abandoning the family. We have relationships with over 800 musicians already in the Not Two catalog, and it's always an honor when they come back to us with a new project.
And I'll close with this: we've put together a compilation series pulling together the best of our roughly 350 releases, organized by format — “One Voice” is entirely solo performances, “Two Truths” is duets, and the series continues from there with larger and larger groupings. Each one draws across the whole history of the label, so you might hear something from the late 1990s sitting right next to something recorded 25 years later. The idea is simple: instead of asking someone to dive into hundreds of albums cold, we're saying, here's a curated front door — start here, find what speaks to you, and then go explore the deep end of the catalog on your own terms.




























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